Episode poll 12.17: "The British Invasion"

Sorry this is so late, y'all. I hope you haven't forgotten everything about the episode!


Your thoughts on 12.17, 'The British Invasion?'

LOVED IT
2(6.7%)
Loved some, liked some
6(20.0%)
Loved some, disliked some
7(23.3%)
Loved some, hated some
2(6.7%)
Liked it
2(6.7%)
It was okay
6(20.0%)
Didn't really care for it
4(13.3%)
Hated it so much, I wish someone had murdered me as a child so I wouldn't ever have seen it
1(3.3%)

On a scale of 1 to 10, how pretty was this episode?

Mean: 7.56 Median: 8 Std. Dev 1.87
1
0(0.0%)
2
1(3.7%)
3
0(0.0%)
4
1(3.7%)
5
2(7.4%)
6
1(3.7%)
7
6(22.2%)
8
8(29.6%)
9
4(14.8%)
10
4(14.8%)

Things I loved about this episode

Sam and Eileen skyping
29(5.5%)
Especially Sam's cute little smile when he says 'bye'
27(5.1%)
Dean too
24(4.6%)
ImpalaCam
23(4.4%)
The fact that Eileen did her hair and makeup to skype with Sam
22(4.2%)
Hungover Winchesters
23(4.4%)
Dagon not giving a shit
14(2.7%)
Lucifer and Crowley
4(0.8%)
Mary and Ketch flirting
1(0.2%)
Mary and Ketch doing the deed
3(0.6%)
'Make your voice a mail'
15(2.9%)
Sam and Eileen making goo goo eyes in the bunker
22(4.2%)
Eileen tracking the demon and getting Kelly Kline's location because she's awesome
28(5.3%)
'Hunter.' 'Demon.'
19(3.6%)
Lucifer saying what Crowley wants him to say while still telling Crowley's minions exactly the opposite
12(2.3%)
Sam's British accent
17(3.2%)
Eileen's excitement when his accent is successful
20(3.8%)
No one cares, Renny
23(4.4%)
Dean yoinking Kelly off the street like the badass he is
21(4.0%)
Sam wielding the Colt
21(4.0%)
Sam and Dean (but mostly Sam) talking Mick out of killing Eileen
22(4.2%)
Mary refusing to choose between hunting and family
8(1.5%)
Samleen hug
25(4.8%)
Mick standing up to Dr. Hess
18(3.4%)
The return of the Colt
23(4.4%)
No angel drama (unless you count Lucifer as an angel, but I'm considering all of that nonsense to be demon drama since it doesn't seem to impact angels)
17(3.2%)
Sam's Red Plaid Shirt of Awesomeness
22(4.2%)
Dean pointing guns at people, rawr
22(4.2%)
I have something to add so I'll put it in the comments
1(0.2%)

Things I could have done without

Dr. Hess and her over-the-top, moustache-twirling evilness
27(12.3%)
I don't care if you have a key, Mick, you still broke into the bunker
12(5.5%)
Lucifer licking the floor
21(9.5%)
Mary and Ketch flirting
21(9.5%)
Mary and Ketch doing the deed
22(10.0%)
Renny/Remy Rawlings
19(8.6%)
Crowley and Lucifer
18(8.2%)
Sam's British accent
5(2.3%)
This freaking Code, man
20(9.1%)
Ketch's awful pillow talk
23(10.5%)
Shirtless Lucifer
11(5.0%)
Demon drama in general
14(6.4%)
No Cas
6(2.7%)
I have something to add so I'll put it in the comments
1(0.5%)

Things that broke my freaking heart

Mick murdering his best friend
14(10.3%)
Mick's tragic backstory of a parentless childhood
10(7.4%)
No vodka for Mick's tomato juice
8(5.9%)
Poor Renny/Remy Rawlings cut down in the prime of his better-than-your life
2(1.5%)
Eileen realizing she shot Renny
23(16.9%)
No shirtless Winchesters
21(15.4%)
Eileen burying herself in Sam's giant chest
24(17.6%)
Mick's death
19(14.0%)
Eileen leaving the U.S. (and Sam)
15(11.0%)
I have something to add so I'll put it in the comments
0(0.0%)

What did the doctor see on the ultrasound that concerned him?

Horns
6(11.1%)
666
4(7.4%)
A tail
4(7.4%)
Little scaly wings
11(20.4%)
Cloven hooves
5(9.3%)
Property of Lucifer
5(9.3%)
My mom had noncon sex with the devil and all she got was this stupid fetus
19(35.2%)
Something far better, which I will put in the comments
0(0.0%)

If killing a BMoL gets you an instant death sentence, why didn't anyone get killed over Toni Bevell's dead minion?

Dean and Cas hid the body so skillfully, no one realizes she's dead
1(2.3%)
She wasn't a full BMoL, she was just Toni's assistant, so it's okay to kill her
9(20.9%)
That's a new policy that wasn't enacted until after she was killed
1(2.3%)
No one really liked her that much so they were willing to waive the automatic death sentence
7(16.3%)
Ha ha ha continuity
24(55.8%)
No wait I have a good theory and I'll discuss it in the comments
1(2.3%)

If giving birth to a nephilim is always fatal, how is it that a group of angels believed actual living person Lily Sunder had given birth to a nephilim?

Naturally demons would know more about nephilim, even though angels are the ones who can actually spawn one
1(1.8%)
Dagon was lying when she said the mother never survived
8(14.3%)
Naughty angel Isham told his buddies that Lily was a special kind of person who could survive the birth
6(10.7%)
Ha ha ha continuity
25(44.6%)
I don't know but I'm gonna be pissed off if we find out Cas was aware of this, because he could have told Kelly on day one and none of this nonsense would be on my screen
16(28.6%)
Let's take it to the comments
0(0.0%)

What do we think about Mary and Ketch doing the nasty?

He really likes her, even though he claims otherwise
10(10.4%)
Nope, he's just in it for the sex
2(2.1%)
She really likes him, even though she claims otherwise
0(0.0%)
Nope, she's just in it for the sex
13(13.5%)
She wants him on her side
4(4.2%)
She did it because she's an adrenaline junkie
6(6.2%)
I don't think she actually had sex with him; I think she was under the same spell that Sam was
0(0.0%)
I hope she used protection
16(16.7%)
I knew this was coming
7(7.3%)
This was completely unexpected
5(5.2%)
It was hot
1(1.0%)
It was nauseating
12(12.5%)
I'm not sure what to think
7(7.3%)
I don't care and I really prefer not to think about it any more
13(13.5%)
Comments!
0(0.0%)

Is Ketch a hunter or a MoL?

Hunter
4(8.2%)
MoL
1(2.0%)
Both
2(4.1%)
A MoL who hunts but not technically a hunter
11(22.4%)
I don't even know
17(34.7%)
Or care
14(28.6%)

Other unanswered questions

Why did blue-eyed Mick have brown eyes as a child?
16(10.4%)
Did Mick and Dean braid Sam's hair at their little impromptu slumber party?
18(11.7%)
What kind of OB also sets broken bones?
13(8.4%)
When did Lucifer become Michael's older brother?
25(16.2%)
Would Eileen's shot have actually hit Dagon if the Colt didn't fire in slow-motion?
17(11.0%)
Why didn't Mick raise his hand back in 'The Raid' when Mary asked if anyone had ever killed anything?
17(11.0%)
Can all demons do that Jedi mind control trick, and why haven't we seen it done before?
13(8.4%)
Why would Headmistress Hess pit two excellent students against each other in a fight to the death, rather than weeding out disappointing students?
22(14.3%)
Shouldn't an episode called 'The British Invasion' have some Beatles songs?
13(8.4%)
I have another question which I'll put in the comments
0(0.0%)

Which of the following are we going to see before the end of the season?

I've been spoiled so I'll check this box and only this box
1(0.5%)
Eileen being killed by the BMoL
5(2.6%)
Sam and Dean being put on trial
16(8.2%)
And found guilty
15(7.7%)
And up for execution on the final episode
14(7.2%)
The Lucifetus being aborted
1(0.5%)
The Lucifetus being born
21(10.8%)
Kelly Kline being killed while still pregnant
4(2.1%)
Lucifer escaping Crowley's clutches
20(10.3%)
More Old Men of the BMoL
15(7.7%)
Ketch admitting his love for Mary
4(2.1%)
Mary dying because someone kills her
4(2.1%)
Mary dying because she sacrifices herself
13(6.7%)
Mary just saying 'screw this, I'd like to go back to Heaven now'
6(3.1%)
Mary becoming Lucifer's new vessel
2(1.0%)
Mary getting knocked up by Ketch
3(1.5%)
Mary killing Ketch
11(5.7%)
Wholesale slaughter of American hunters
8(4.1%)
Billie's 'cosmic consequences'
12(6.2%)
Someone burning away part of their soul to gain angelic powers, like Lily Sunder did
5(2.6%)
At least one actual monster that isn't a person or a former person (vampire, werewolf)
7(3.6%)
One more classic costume from the past, like pest control guys or firemen or teddy bear doctors
7(3.6%)
I have another UNSPOILED theory which I'd like to discuss in the comments
0(0.0%)


Remember, no spoilers in the comments, please!

Posts from This Journal by “12.17” Tag

Now I'm going to have to watch again to see if I can spot this supposed British accent Sam did because I totally missed that first time round, which makes me think it must have been really, really bad. Maybe as bad as Jensen's attempt at Cockney in Dark Angel. Or Mick's nasty attempts at Estuary English which is the only reason I'm pleased he's been bumped off.
I don't know how you could have missed it, unless it was so bad that a British person wouldn't even recognize it as an attempt at a British accent.
I seem to remember him doing some strange voice at one point, I admit, I didn't think it sounded British in any shape or form so if that was it... yes!
It was when Sam was talking on the phone to...a doctor, I think? The only upside to that silly accent was that even I didn't know it was Sam until they showed him speaking!
Well, after watching a certain episode of Doctor Who last night, I can assure you that Jared's British accent is no worse than Mark Sheppard's American accent. ;)
It's funny how some actors can be so good yet utterly fail at accents. I was watching something here the other day and one of the actor's US accent made me cringe. Sometimes even I can tell it's bad! I can't remember Mark's in Dr Who but I wouldn't be surprised if it was atrocious. He has quite a strong Estuary accent everywhere else I've seen him so I assume he doesn't have an ear for languages.
My mom had noncon sex with the devil and all she got was this stupid fetus

Best. Line. Ever.
The opening scene is referencing the Red Room from Marvel (and I know this only because I've watched Agent Carter!)

The other boy had a dad who supposedly cared about him. Did he know it was a good chance his son would be killed? That's creepy. Because if he didn't, why would he send his child to a school with a really high death-rate?

And what kind of business model is it to kill students after you've invested several years of training in them?
And what kind of business model is it to kill students after you've invested several years of training in them?

I know, right? And the good students! I mean, if you're going to do something like that, throw the bad students into the ring.
I doubt Sam was concerned about accent accuracy, more with Kelly not recognizing it was him on the phone.

Also, I was kinda glad Renny was there, for the "No one cares" chorus, and the necessary escalation of BMol vs. Hunters. Also, the less said/thought/imagined about Mary and Ketch, the better. Ick.

Also also, I *really* want to call BMol school Brakebills rather than Hogwarts.
Also also, I *really* want to call BMol school Brakebills rather than Hogwarts.

I'm sure that's a very clever and relevant Harry Potter reference that I'm just too ignorant to understand. But I give you credit for it. XD
No, not Harry Potter at all. The series (based on a series of books) called The Magicians, features an academy of magic called Brakebills, and the formal students of magic are pitted against self-taught (considered "feral") magicians in the show. Brakebills isn't as formal and warded as Hogwarts, nor as venerated. Things go wrong, badly, and fast, at Brakebills.
Definitely watch The Magicians it's excellent. Sera Gamble is the co-Executive Producer and she's really showing how good she can be.
Competition. First season Brakebills students and self-taught were all trying to reach a parallel world. There was cooperation, and sabotage, and competition. I haven't seen season two yet, I don't know if or how that worked out. Rick Worthy, SPN's Alpha Vamp, is the headmaster of Brakebills.
I checked all of the boxes on the last question, because you left out:
Don't know, don't care. We got any grenades?

My mom had noncon sex with the devil and all she got was this stupid fetus

SO.FUCKING.CLASSIC.
I will be sure to include that answer in the future for those of you who are just hate-watching the show and/or ignoring the plot and only paying attention to the pretty.
If I'm honest, my answer should be, 'Loved the Sam/Eileen, hated the rest of it'. All that time wasted on Lucifer drama when they could've been making adorable goo-goo eyes at each other... *sigh*
Also, why did Mick have an upper class accent as a child and not as an adult!
Maybe he taught himself a new accent when he got the nose job and the blue contacts, as part of his new identity.
God Casting really fell down on the job on that one. And they're usually so good!
I kinda think the rule about hunters killing Men of Letters is probably something they see very much like the idea of putting down a dog that's turned on its master, unfortunately. Dr. Hess even specifically said that hunters are dogs. They're supposed to be obedient and loyal. If they've killed a Man of Letters, it sounds like they see them as irredeemable.

However, Toni's assistant seemed like she was probably more of a hunter than a Woman of Letters, which would mean that it would just be considered hunter on hunter violence.

Also, Toni was acting against the wishes of her superiors. She defied orders and sent her assistant to attack them. They were forced to defend themselves. I kinda feel like it's possible that might have voided the rule about hunters killing MoL in that particular instance, too.
I thought so too. Or rather, I thought he might fall into neither category--he's a "specialist" and an outsider to both worlds.
I loved the Sam and Eileen stuff, (AND DEAN TOTALLY SHIPS IT, TOO!) and Dean being a badass, but the whole BMOL "look at how evil we are, even though the ways in which we are evil make do freaking sense" has crossed the WTF Event Horizon. They're cartoon villains, I can't take them seriously.

It's too bad that Mick was killed off just when I was kind of liking him, but the truth is, he died like a dumbass. My friend and I were sitting on the couch, yelling at the TV for him not to be THAT stupid, but he was.

Dagon is lying is the only thing that makes any sense, but even then it only makes a little bit of sense, because Kelly thinking she's going to get out of this alive = Kelly who's not ACTIVELY looking for a way out. I mean I guess Dagon is powerful enough that she doesn't have to worry about Kelly trying to make a break for it, but still, why make trouble for herself?

(Although even if Cas had told her, it seemed pretty clear that Lucifer mind-whammied her in the hotel room, so she might have run anyway?)

Crowley being stupid and underestimating Lucifer is really frustrating; it seems like a betrayal of his whole character so far.

I don't want Eileen to be killed, but I'm worried it's going to happen, anyway. And I'm worried about all the hunters we know: Mary will have no suspicion of Ketch, and I think he might be the one to kill her (or maybe his feelings for her will stop him? Or make him hesitate just long enough for Mary to get the drop on him?) But there's also Jody, Claire, Donna (not sure if she would "count" enough to be on the BMoL's radar) Cesar and Jesse (I don't think the BMoL would care much about technicalities like "they've retired") and the witch twins. Killing some no-name hunter who we've never heard of is one thing, but if the BMoL are to be taken seriously as a threat, they'll have to off somebody the audience cares about, and who the audience knows is competent enough NOT to be taken down easily.

There's been too much buildup for the LuciFetus NOT to be born. Although like Lucifer's return in "Lucifer Rising" its birth may be the season-ending cliffhanger. (That or Sam and Dean facing their executioners.)

Cosmic consequences may get held off for next season, too. But I really hope that, whatever they are, they include rumors of Billie's death being greatly exaggerated.
The WTF Event Horizon. Hee.

If the Old Men turned out to be eldritch horrors who feed on the souls of dead monsters and run the BMoL the way they do for shits and giggles, I would applaud the plot for finally taking a sensible turn.

I think Mary is safe from Ketch, if only because I think even this writer's room would realize Sam and Dean avenging their fridged mother AGAIN is not a plot they want to rehash.
My mom had noncon sex with the devil and all she got was this stupid fetus. I think that reached peak dead baby humor.

How about the Code's application is completely arbitrary because the Old Men are just making this stuff up as it suits them? While twirling their mustaches, smoking their Cubans, and stroking a Persian in an affably menacing manner, probably.

Maybe they pit their best students against each other because they don't care that much about having competent agents. They care about having agents who will kill for them without questioning whether doing so makes a lick of sense.

Thinking a bit more about Mick's backstory...I've seen a couple of comments that it's jarring how Dickensian orphan it is, but that part actually felt fitting to me. Because the BMoL are not the modern day UK, they're a throwback to the British Empire, and so Mick having a backstory out of their heyday makes sense.

Edited at 2017-04-14 05:24 am (UTC)