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Episode poll 14.12: “Prophet and Loss”


Your thoughts on 14.12, 'Prophet and Loss?'

LOVED IT
6(33.3%)
Loved some, liked some
2(11.1%)
Loved some, disliked some
7(38.9%)
Loved some, hated some
3(16.7%)
Liked it
0(0.0%)
Liked some, hated some
0(0.0%)
It was okay
0(0.0%)
Didn't really care for it
0(0.0%)
Hated it so much, I'd rather spend the rest of my life comatose in the Happy Daze Nursing Home than ever have to watch it again
0(0.0%)

Things I loved about this episode

Dean's dream about being in the box
13(2.9%)
Particularly the way he called out for Sam
16(3.6%)
Particularly the way he woke up with bleeding fingers from clawing at the wall in his sleep
14(3.1%)
Single-layer Sam in sweatpants and stocking feet
14(3.1%)
Sam refusing to sugarcoat Dean's future, telling him it's going to be worse than dying
13(2.9%)
And telling Dean that being 'shook' from his plan wouldn't be the worst thing, since his plan really sucks
15(3.3%)
'The woman has a remarkable command of profanity'
15(3.3%)
Dean apologizing for not being the greatest brother
11(2.4%)
Dean admitting John sent him away sometimes
10(2.2%)
Sam asking for no conversations that sound like deathbed apologies
14(3.1%)
Sam finding a case to distract Dean from his Deathbed Apology Tour
17(3.8%)
Sam and Dean both recognizing Enochian characters, because OF COURSE THEY DO, SHOW
18(4.0%)
Guys in suits and overcoats
9(2.0%)
Dead brother parallel conversation with the victim's brother
8(1.8%)
Sam lied to Dean about not telling Cas about his plan, and he doesn't even feel bad about it
16(3.6%)
Dean's awkward how's my uncle? still alive? phone call
8(1.8%)
The Winchesters being SO PISSED at the murdery guy, because they know God was NOT talking to him
14(3.1%)
Dr. Novak
7(1.6%)
Cas telling Dean how stupid his plan is
9(2.0%)
'If there's a spark of hope, then I have to try; you taught me that'
10(2.2%)
Parallel conversation about Donatello trapped in his own body somewhere between life and death
7(1.6%)
Donatello is back!
5(1.1%)
Angry, sarcastic, possibly drunk Sam saying 'we're celebrating, right?'
18(4.0%)
And talking about how much he looked up to Dean and copied him and followed him to Hell and we saved the world, we don't just check out of it
18(4.0%)
And HITTING DEAN and then grabbing him in a hug and CRYING
17(3.8%)
'I believe in us! Why don't you believe in us too?'
17(3.8%)
Dean giving in and saying 'okay, Sam, let's go home'
17(3.8%)
And teary-eyed, sniffling, hair-in-his-face Sam not quite believing it
17(3.8%)
And Dean making him promise to let him go if that day comes
13(2.9%)
And PATTING SAM'S FACE and saying 'Don't hit me again, okay?'
17(3.8%)
Any part of Nick's story
1(0.2%)
The pretty
12(2.7%)
The angst
12(2.7%)
No Mobby
7(1.6%)
No Jack
1(0.2%)
No angel drama
10(2.2%)
No demon drama
10(2.2%)
Comments!
0(0.0%)

Things I didn't like about this episode

Gruesome murders
6(9.4%)
Sam wouldn't let Dean talk about his feelings
2(3.1%)
Sam tried to make Dean's Deathbed Apology Tour all about HIM
0(0.0%)
The Impala was forced to pull a trailer
5(7.8%)
Sam lied to Dean about not telling Cas about his plan
1(1.6%)
Murdery guy sure lost his faith quickly
6(9.4%)
Nick didn't recognize his wife's ghost
8(12.5%)
Because she looked nothing like his wife
6(9.4%)
Nick didn't end up dead
14(21.9%)
Sam hit Dean
0(0.0%)
Cas can suddenly heal Donatello, even though he couldn't before
11(17.2%)
No Jack
4(6.2%)
No Mobby
0(0.0%)
Comments!
1(1.6%)

Things that shattered my heart into a million little pieces

Dean crying out for Sam in his panicky dream and waking up with bloody fingers
16(7.2%)
'Put the end of this trip out of your head'
12(5.4%)
Dean apologizing for not being the greatest brother
14(6.3%)
Dean admitting John sent him away sometimes
14(6.3%)
Sam asking for no conversations that sound like deathbed apologies
12(5.4%)
Dead brother parallel conversation with the victim's brother
6(2.7%)
The Winchesters being SO PISSED at the murdery guy, because they know God was NOT talking to him
4(1.8%)
Parallel conversation about Donatello trapped in his own body somewhere between life and death
3(1.4%)
Donatello is back!
1(0.5%)
Angry, sarcastic, possibly drunk Sam saying 'we're celebrating, right?'
16(7.2%)
And talking about how much he looked up to Dean and copied him and followed him to Hell and we saved the world, we don't just check out of it
17(7.7%)
And HITTING DEAN and then grabbing him in a hug and CRYING
17(7.7%)
'I believe in us! Why don't you believe in us too?'
17(7.7%)
Dean giving in and saying 'okay, Sam, let's go home'
18(8.1%)
And teary-eyed, hair-in-his-face Sam not quite believing it
17(7.7%)
And Dean making him promise to let him go if that day comes
16(7.2%)
And PATTING SAM'S FACE and saying 'Don't hit me again, okay?'
17(7.7%)
Nick did something bad to his wife's ghost, but I don't remember what it was
0(0.0%)
Nick is STILL HERE
4(1.8%)
Comments!
0(0.0%)

What do we think about Sam punching Dean?

WE LOVES IT, MY PRECIOUSSSS
13(27.7%)
It was inappropriate
0(0.0%)
It was out of character
0(0.0%)
It was perfect because it showed how much anger and heartbreak and despair and frustration he was dealing with
17(36.2%)
It was perfect because Dean has punched Sam in anger so many times, and now he gets to experience it
3(6.4%)
It was perfect because it was SO emotional and angsty
13(27.7%)
I need to discuss it in the comments
1(2.1%)

Why is Rowena helping?

She cares for Dean and wants to save him
3(8.8%)
She cares for Sam and wants to save his beloved brother
6(17.6%)
She cares for Cas and wants to save his friend
1(2.9%)
She wants the Winchesters to owe her, big time
8(23.5%)
She knows there's no way Sam is letting his brother spend eternity locked in a box with an archangel, and she wants to make sure Michael is destroyed
5(14.7%)
All of the above, probably
11(32.4%)
Comments!
0(0.0%)

Biggest surprise in this episode

The return of Donatello
0(0.0%)
Dean wasn't really in the box
1(3.8%)
Dean put a towing hitch on the Impala
5(19.2%)
Sam punched Dean
4(15.4%)
It was a Buckleming and it didn't suck
16(61.5%)
Comments!
0(0.0%)

Pick one

DEEEEAAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!
0(0.0%)
SAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMM!!!!
5(27.8%)
I refuse to choose just one
13(72.2%)

How spoiled are you for the next episode? (NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT AN INVITATION TO POST OR DISCUSS SPOILERS HERE. DO NOT DO THAT.)

SO SPOILED
3(16.7%)
I know the one big thing that everybody knows, but that's all
15(83.3%)
Pure as the driven snow, and my fingers are stuck in my ears and I'm going la la la la la la
0(0.0%)


Remember, no spoilers in the comments, please!

Posts from This Journal by “14.12 prophet and loss” Tag

I'm still on a blissful high from this episode!

I don't think it was that Nick didn't recognise his wife, he was just hoping that it was Lucifer coming to him as his wife just like it was all those years before (and I did wonder myself for a moment).

I only know the big thing that everybody know about the next episode, but I'm still quite upset that I know that. I was doing so well until the magazine article came out and all the cast posted about it...

I actually liked this episode, which is confusing because A) I don't like S14, didn't even like S13 or most of S12 so I am (or was) regrettably very close to done with this show and B) Bucklemming, like the poll says. :-) But I found it emotionally gripping and (EXTRA surprisingly) rather tightly written. And the performances, for both the main cast and the characters of just this ep, were off the charts. I loved the interview with the twin and the parallels to Sam and Dean.

I do want to ask other fans, though... was it more disturbing and horrific than usual? I mean, for the show overall? I generally dislike horror, which is why it's weird that I love this show so much--it's despite rather than because of the horror, though SPN taught me that I can appreciate a good scare. But I don't know if it was because it was so well-acted, but I could not take the murder scenes. I had to watch them with my eyes squinted, on mute with subtitles. Trying to figure out why this ep in particular got to me that way. There have only been a few episodes that were worse in that way for me (the one where Alastair tortures Meg and it's really sexualized jumps to mind).

I absolutely loved the end scene. All the Sam and Dean scenes really. But the punch-hug combo was one of the series' best hugs IMO. And JEBUS, Jared acted the HELL out of that scene. This was the first time in a while the show has genuinely made me cry; both Js' performance was a big part of that. Maybe Bucklemming is getting better....
I was really upset over two things:

a) Sam did not bring up how much being trapped in a cage with an archangel broke him, even though the parallels are identical, and Sam would have a really strong argument for how bad that would be.

b) Dean did not bring up that when Sam asked him to let him die to save the world back in season 5, Dean did, and how unfair it is for Sam not to give him the same respect and autonomy.

I just wish the writers would remember the past.